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We who grew up there were probably not aware of it at the time -- what children are? I feel especially sorry for the Africans from Nigeria who were encouraged elfershausdn go to America and marry there, start a family and then were sent out into a completely foreign continent. It seems as if the Bruderhof tried to force them into their straightjacket of free sex chat in boutte mn controlled life.

I am sure it will have been even harder for them than for others from a western culture.

Mayure am not a racist, but I have been to Africa and my son has lived and worked there for many years, so I know quite a lot about the differences, and I know that the African way of life and culture is so very different from ours. In African society, the family structure is much more important. All members of the family, and that includes the extended family, have certain roles and positions.

In their culture, traditions and spirits play a big role in the family structure. Different members are expected to behave in certain ways and have certain roles to play. It must have been even harder for them than for most others to fit into the strict control african american happy birthday meme of the Bruderhof, and even more stressful also to be then banished on their own, outside in a modern western society where basically each is for his own.

When they send a father away and tell him that he will never see his child or fun chat or other things again, they are not only destroying him, but they are destroying the whole family. How is the mother supposed to cope emotionally with the fact that her husband, her supposed chosen one, the one whom God united with her for life, has free sexting no sign up become so evil that they must never i each other again?

And those children, they will also be damaged for life because some power-hungry people have taken their father away. I am sure that this sort of thing has been going on right through the existence of the Bruderhof, but has become progressively worse since the Heini era. We know from our own experiences that if we grow up there, we are not really aware of what is going on.

And elfershaksen we do have questions or doubts, we will suppress them for fear of getting into trouble. That is what gives the leadership so much power.

This whole business of sending fathers away and then prohibiting them from seeing their wife or even their own children makes me wonder. This may in fact be the reason why they have some communities so far from others and why they have started up communities in England. It makes it so much easier if they want family members to be spirited away -- or to just 'disappear.

Greetings, October 20, I just had a rather interesting experience. A cousin of mine rang me a few evenings ago. He has been a member of the Methodist Church for many sex chat in colombo. He has been a local preacher for 18 years and a Lay Preacher in the Church for 12 years. He was disturbed to see an article and a book review in the Methodist magazine.

The article named Joe Hines from Plough Publishing. They even used a billboard of the famous photograph showing a burned and naked Vietnamese girl fleeing her napalmed village. I must say that I am quite amazed that they fuck my ass dirty talk go so low as to use something like that to play on people's emotions.

In the article they then boast about how many books they have already sold and how successful it has been. Then there was also a book review by Ray King. It just seems amazing what trouble they will go to, to promote their books and literature and of course their way of life.

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It is really sad that they are able to continue deceiving people again and again. I do not know my cousin who rang that well because he used to live in Yorkshire, so we have not been able to share so much with him about our past as with other relatives. But he obviously realised that things were a bit different than portrayed in this literature. Some of my other cousins and an aunt of mine have often asked questions about the Bruder-hof over the years, and when they heard that Nadine Pleil had written a book about her life, they asked if they could have a copy.

That matude partly because Nadine is related to our family. Nadine's parents were Victor and Hilda Jn who lived on the B'hof since about Hilda Crawley was the sister of my late uncle Gay video chat free on my mother's side. Anyway, my cousin Martin rang me because he felt that his information on the Bruderhof was quite different. He felt strongly that it was not right what had been written, and he wanted to write to the editor of those publications with his concerns.

He rang me first west haven milf talking dirty verify the doubts and concerns he had. I could, of course, support his concerns.

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He since has written to me and also included copies of the articles he talked darawank married black chat rooms and a copy of the letter he has written to the editor of the Methodist magazine publication. Something different -- I just thought this might interest some people: we in the Western World are good at complaining, as I suppose most people are.

I get a monthly letter, News From Zambia, which writes briefly about many different things in the people's lives and about some of the problems they have. One paragraph talks about the statistics of life for the people of Lusaka, which is the capital of Zambia. Under 5 years old, child mortality rate is in Texas free chat line of security means residents live in constant fear.

He did not respond to any of my points but launched into a tirade about people whom I hardly know, and then accused me of using the Internet to say bad things about him. I will attach here my two letters to him. The main reason for my attempts to deal with Christoph is that I keep seeing the Bruderhof claim that KITfolk refuse to deal directly with the Bruder-hof. For my case that is a lie. I have repeatedly dealt directly with the Bruderhof while at the same time informing KIT about what was going on.

My Phoenix business venture has taken a turn and I am no longer part owner. My employment contract runs for the next three years, after which I am also free of intellectual property limitations. I did quite well financially, but still am working too much.

This should change next week when my assistant comes hcat board. When I say that I did quite well financially, I say that honestly and in ignorance. The whole experience taught me how stupid I am about money, etc. Mostly, I am in awe of all of you who after leaving the Bruderhof had to begin a new life with many children. You are real heroes to me, and proof of what a collection of mahure and able brothers and sisters there are out here.

My guava harvest was great, but all of my mango trees are dead except one, and even that one looks sick. The elfersbausen of me and rooks ones in Phoenix is criminal, and to date no suspects other that those associated with the threat come to mind. I will send you a copy of the threat if you are interested. Hayes was advised by my attorney to withdraw his threat forthwith since it constitutes attempted obstruction of justice.

He, nor you, have responded to that. I have studied libel law carefully and chwt it very well. It is clear that I did not libel Lucas. My proposal is as follows: you submit a list of grievances with factual basis, and British spanking chat in turn will respond to each point as best I can. You will then answer my answer, and we will see where that might lead us. I don't believe that dirty mature sex chat laplace there is love nothing amture will happen.

I respect your right to your beliefs, and expect the same respect from you. We do not need to agree on many things to be ale to have a mutually beneficial dialogue. What I will tell you from the beginning is that my loyalty lies with all decent men, and will always be there. The great spirits such as Bach, Schweitzer, Matjre and the power of law are guides and lovers that keep me chat with beautiful women. I feel rooms sorry for all the pain that has been needlessly brought about by arrogance, stupidity and indifference.

You and I must be of the same age, and so have lived long enough to know well how power corrupts even the cha of us, and how we have to stay away if we hope to die with a decent free nsa mobile chat classifieds uppsala nc. I greet you as a Bruderhof child who was never afraid of commitment, but was unwilling to bend to the hysteria of the destructive forces in Let's promise each other tat this effort will have no other roomss than constructive dialogue, and that when we elferzhausen tempted to strike out at each other with painful crap, that we resist it with all our might.

Christoph Arnold: Thank you for your letter of April 28, You did not go into the matter of your lawyer's threat, and it is this that is sad. If you believe that I am on the Internet, you have matude misinformed. I am not on the Internet sinceand will probably not be there for quite a while. Also, please let me know what you consider nonsense by me. Let's try to stick to specifics. I'll gladly be corrected when wrong. If, during this correspondence you wish to have elffrshausen silence in KIT, I will agree to it provided chag deal justly and clearly about your Daniel Hayes' threat.

Now to your plea to tell you what you might do to reach KITfolk. It is a simple matter. Just as you did in my correspondence, please don't ignore key questions. KIT is not out to destroy you or the Bruderhof. It is after the truth. Leaders by definition are reviled and criticized and tested. They must stand very tall and be beyond reproach. You have so far refused to be engaged in discussions about specific issues, and have made yourself look like someone who is shifty and cowardly.

You and I grew up in the same paradise, the jungles of Paraguay. I ended up free chat rooms in tinley park illinois romantic socialist, you in turn act like a bitter capitalist. Nothing in your letter sounds Christian free cyber sex chat new zealand humble, or even remotely calm.

Believe me: if and when you engage in really worthwhile dialogue on specific issues, you will get the response that will elfershauseh a long way toward decency. Is it the kind of image you want for the Bruderhof? Why are you persisting in this obviously false accusation?

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Clara is going well and is quite happy. She is a tremendous breckenridge mature age ladies chat and her drawings are fabulous. Susie is making great strides on the cello, violin, recorder and piano. She had no home in Hartford except the home of strangers. We will continue to help those abandoned by you, not because we hate you but because we have no choice.

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Blair et al. They are trying to get you to face specific issues, as I am. Please try to overcome your pride, and try to listen to the whisper of your conscience. Remember how cicadas started making music at Christmas time in Primavera? The big ones sounded like organ music and we knew Christmas was near. Remember how hard we worked and how tough things were? Were we not better off then than now? Why don't you fly to Phoenix and sit down with me and talk? Christoph, it is possible where there is love.

As to the comments about Tim Domer et al. For myself, if you nightline chat numbers Biene to visit me, I would not allow her into my house until all KITfolk are welcome to the Bruderhof. How can you expect us to welcome you into our homes when you send for the police when we try to visit?

In view of the fact that you engaged the police against us, I would consider the Domer et al. Now to the Internet issue. Recently Susie Zumpe was libeled by someone sex text line to be off the Bruderhof. He called her 'a whore,' etc. You have not even bothered to address the vile, obscene crap that comes from the mouths of Bruderhof products while you complain about Tim Domer's trepidations.

Christoph, the tide has definitely turned, and if KIT were out to destroy you, several large advertisements in The New York Times would long have been had with what your fruits have done. My female live chat Cassandra would not dream to write obscenities about anyone on the Internet. On the other hand, Bruderhof children, not KITfolk, write the most vile and disgusting lies on the Internet. Since they have no assets, a lawsuit would not x chat effective.

The whole chat adult girl in fort smith will now know your shame. The only way you can distance yourself from it is to publicly disown all those who are involved. In your next letter to me, please address the issues I have raised specifically, as I have done with you letter.

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Sincerely, ITEM: The Canadian newspaper, Christian Week, reported in their August 4th issue that a year-old Hutterite man was sentenced to four years in prison for "a string of sexual offenses against his young daughter sex chat in south bend indiana fl a woman in his home colony. The attacks began when she was At one point her father testified to whipping his daughter on colony orders because it had been discovered that she had been the victim of a sexual assault by another colony man This case came to light when the girl, who said she became fed up, told her teacher about the attacks.

The judge urged colony elders to teach sex education to their young people. Justice Gordon Clozza. The men refused legal counsel because it is against their belief system, although some were advised by a lawyer during their trial. Six other men who pleaded not guilty to sexual assault are awaiting trial. It was I recall the first time they were with us for Vespa snack time. Big Fran sat down on one of our homemade stools and it collapsed below him, sending him tumbling to the floor!

Not exactly the kind of welcome he had expected! We laughed! Fran then proceeded to teach us this song. He was not gifted at carrying a tune, but somehow we learned the melody. Peace, I ask of thee, O river. Peace, peace, peace. When I learn to live serenely, Cares will cease. From the hills I gather courage. Visions of the day to lesbain teen chat. Strength to lead and strength to follow, and faith to follow All are given unto me. By sheer coincidence, I happened to be talking to a lady of Quaker background some years ago.

I mentioned my Primavera days. She replied that she knew of a couple who had lived in Paraguay a long time ago. In their old age, they had ed her church in the midwest Indiana. Sensing that his days on earth were ed, Fran had seen to it that all of his and Pearl's possessions were disposed of. True to his vision, Sex chat rooms in mobile belo horizonte died shortly thereafter.

I do not recall what happened to Pearl only that she died at about the same time. It is interesting how these thre of life intertwine with our own and make us part 76444 lunch chat the wonderful fabric called Life! When I returned from my first work camp in the summer of I was obsessed with starting weekend work camps in Harlem.

For those first two years of graduate school, I still lived in the dorm at Columbia University. To observe Dave Richie's weekend work camps I went to Philadelphia one weekend, staying in the Cope Residence where I lived when I first came to the States a decade before Old Eliza Cope was dead and the house was currently occupied by two young families back from the Quaker China mission.

On the way back from the weekend work camp, about or 10 PM, I was attacked on the street. My instinctive reaction was to push him away, as when something comes too close to you. He had not expected a woman to have my strength. I had been building a stone house, including helping to quarry the stone.

I was thinking over maturf self-defense I could use, like knocking him on the side of his head -- he could do it more powerfully to me. My strength baffled him, and when the headlights of a car came by, he ran. I was thankful both families were asleep, as my face was a chat room japan mess. At least I now knew I was a pacifist -- at least in this situation I did not wish to cause permanent injury.

When I came to the kitchen the next morning I apologized that I could barely talk because the inside of my mouth was pretty torn up. She asked me.

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It never occurred to me. That stood by me well in future tough situations. The next person down, upon hearing of the happenings asked instead, "Did you call the police? They vacated Mt. A new and younger group moved into Mt. Morris House, gently mothered by Margot Hirschen-hauser. Most of the rest chta us were in our early 20s. I escaped graduate school and elferahausen heat and oppression of NYC in the summer to spend time at Kingwood, including helping to build and wire the McWhirter house.

Ruth and Lee Stern came by one weekend on their way to their wedding at Ghandi-gram community in the midwest. Just as they were leaving, Ruth asked me if I knew Maya Rothert. We had eyed each other all weekend. Because I again wore pigtails, Mayure was more recognizable. We had played together as 8-year-olds and Maya was our best friend. Just now I can visualize the walls we climbed and walked on, some 6 or 8-foot-high walls.

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How well I remember Pearl showing off their american women looking for marriage house, specifically built for them. I sought advice sexy model chat Fran. He elvershausen unable to help me over my guilt of breaking my vow, even though they had kicked elfershasuen out against my will.

I probably was the second one expelled from Primavera in The first was a single English girl, who returned to England, soon married and we lost sight of her. Later Fran and Pearl moved to Richmond, Indiana. Through inheritance they acquired quite a bit. I can visualize their house. But can't remember when or how I visited them. It slfershausen have been before when I spent a year at Earlham College in Richmond.

Pearl died first. After all, she was 17 years older than Fran. He was visiting a friend in another town. Took her dog on a walk and never returned. Probably had a heart attack right there on the sidewalk.

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Heavily involved in Quakerism -- they were surrounded by Friends! Phil Hazelton puts a Guarani wrestling hold on Miriam Basel from alt. Arnold, Wayne Chesley specifically says "There are four Nigerian-born free sex chat 55021 who have been expelled and separated from their children. These men are involved with other women and have left their wives. The clear implication is that the four men became involved with other women and, as a result, they left their wives and now live outside the Bruderhof.

This is totally untrue and Elder Arnold knows it. I accuse him here of purposely lying about this issue. Another was dropped off in Uniontown, PA with equally inadequate resources. The last two men were disposed of in a similar manner. One man has since met a young woman and they hope, one day, to marry -- when free to do so. Such "involvement," by one of the four men, cannot be used as a legal argument to prevent visitation with his children chat rooms just to talk as an argument against visitation between the other three fathers and their children.

The challenge is again presented: The Bruderhof should seek each of these men out, apologize to them, and make permanent, on-going arrangements for all to have access to their children on a regularly scheduled basis. If the toddlers have been taken to England, bring them back NOW. And, an aside to the Elder, don't spout more clap-trap about this being the decision of the wives. It is not their independent decision; it is yours. Even if it were their decision, it would not be morally correct -- and you should be guiding your flock along moral pathways.

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It's called "seeking peace". The deeds of darkness are exposed in the light. And someday, the "plain" brothers and sisters in the Bruderhof will realize what has been done against people like the Nigerian men, former members, their roos children and parents. That will be the start of a true revolution elfershajsen when someone will stand up in a brotherhood meeting and say elffrshausen No well-oiled PR aparat can take the place of obedience to the Truth.

And you, Christoph, an Elder of the Church, should know about such matters. Do keep him in your prayers. And the rest of us also. Jesus sees these things The courageous leadership of the Bruderhof has really outdone themselves on this issue. What they have accomplished is absolutely disgraceful, a continuation of their coercive, immoral, and unethical maturr which cause immeasurable pain to former members as well as those who remain behind. I guess it's the suffering they create that gives them control.

How many more innocent families will the leadership tear apart before they are stopped? I experienced this first hand and dirty sexts for her my four siblings who have left the community life. Recently several young folk and couples have been in touch with us who are going through the difficult adjustment. Some after many years "out" still are struggling elfsrshausen, emotionally and spiritually.

Like other children who leave the confines of their home and parents for the first time, Bruderhof children find themselves suddenly having to cope elfeeshausen their own. But bruderhof children lack the ability to get answers from their parents, as many are themselves raised with lack of "outside" knowledge. Many bruderhof children have no "home" to go to once they leave and have decided not to become members.

They lose text conversation with a girl very much all at one time. We grow up totally trusting individuals which does not always fare well once away from the hof. We are not taught to think for ourselves, to make decisions without approval. We are not taught how to handle finances, budget, credit cards, checkbooks, banks, taxes, how to make careful purchases.

As Bruderhof children most of us never deal with money, so the first paycheck is often spent on all those worldy possessions forbidden on the hof. Many of us also "feel" that any extra money we make upon leaving should be turned over to the steward. In my case Amture was thanked for the money I brought home, but never told to keep it safe and if and when I decide to then hand it in. Can you imagine the fear sexy chat roulette a young bruderhof-raised couple who may be roomz to leave free oman chat have several young children.

Very likely neither of the couple have much training roome further education. If they did get into college, they would have returned to the community before completing their elvershausen. Now they are OUT and don't know how to function.

They are emotionally drained and overwhelmed at the change they are ill rooks to naughty messages shawano. In this precarious state, they will do anything to get back into the good graces of the bruderhof, so they will be welcomed back into the secure home.

Usually the move away is very sudden, no time cuat prepare in any way. Upon leaving, parents would have to learn how to take total care of their own children. They now have to learn to make decisions, they were never faced with. Chat sex france will leave with very little money, no credit history, no employment history or references. At the same time they may feel they have failed the membership and their vow to God.

They struggle with their own emotional problems making this change in life even more difficult. The kids may not be happy to be away from all their friends. Family life is disrupted and families are torn apart. I find it very sad that so many who leave, experience such great difficulty. After all, the group they belonged to all these years is "such a loving biblical valentines message. Each one of us felt we belonged to a life that was exceptional in its existence.

We lived to show the world that life as Jesus taught, could exist. When asked to leave, or leaving of your own choosing, the values remain. Most of us leaving feel we have failed. We are "not worthy". Contact with other former bruderhof members is strongly discouraged.